Brian Sabean on baseball…

Sabean:

“In this information age, the average fan has so much information at his/her disposal, they have all the players, stats, projections right there,” said Sabean. “But this game is so much more than those stats and analysis and metrics. It’s ultimately about human beings.”

This quote conjures up memories of the Giants’ two-year offer to Willie Bloomquist. Which bothers me.

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7 thoughts on “Brian Sabean on baseball…

  1. Just a way to give himself and ownership an excuse for how they handle players. Such as giving Huff an entire season with Belt waiting in the wing. Seems like a manager would want to give that player faith, while in reality, it’s Sabean not wanting to admit he made a mistake by giving him that contract. Most of us aren’t scouts, and it was apparent early that Huff wasn’t bouncing back during that season. I’d think it’d be hard to find a scout in this industry who would approve of what the Giants did with Huff/Belt. Sabean saying “it’s about human beings” basically means “only we understand these guys, so leave us alone”…

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  3. First of all, I’m not sure why people spend so much time and energy worrying about moves that Brian Sabean DIDN’T MAKE! Secondly, I’m not sure why a statement like this would upset you. There is strong evidence that the Giants management knows something about pitching that a lot of people in the baseball business, let alone fans, don’t. There is also strong evidence that Sabean has been in on defensive metrics long before Fangraphs or Billy Beane ever even thought of them, and he uses them to exploit market inefficienciesa and obtain undervalued players. That was the whole point of Moneyball, or am I mistaken about that? Don’t you think it’s likely that the Giants and their scouts see and know things about players that don’t show up in statistics? It actually seems pretty obvious to me and not at all worrisome.

    • 1) Willie Bloomquist isn’t a move that Brian Sabean didn’t make. He made him a two-year offer. That’s part of his track record, like it or not. Yes, Bloomquist didn’t sign with the Giants. He rejected their offer. But there’s a distinct difference between this, and say, the minor Alex Gonzalez rumor that was floated earlier in the offseason.

      2) There’s strong evidence that Sabean used defensive metrics before Billy Beane? Really? Please, enlighten me.

      3) This isn’t even about the use of defensive metrics. Not at all. From Sabean’s diction, it’s not about scouting either. There’s nothing in the wording of the quote to indicate that this is about scouting. Granted, maybe he didn’t exactly articulate his point well, but he seems to be talking about the Human Element, which is intangible. Not scouting.

      • Evaluating the human element is part of scouting.

        Do you have any evidence other than internet chatter that the Giants actually made a higher offer to Bloomquist? I know I haven’t seen anything. I am sick and tired of reading diatribes about how Sabean almost did this or that with people holding that up as proof of what a terrible GM he is. Most of that stuff us unsubstantiated rumor anyway.

        As for defensive metrics, just go look up the Giants stats on OF defense over the last decade or so. The are almost always very good. Sabes has always tended to take the OF with better defense even if he has to sacrifice offense to get him.

        Sabean has been around long enough now that you would find fodder for criticism for ANY GM who’s been around that long. You really need to stand back and see the forest for the trees here. He is the most successful GM in the history of the franchise since John McGraw. His teams have had winning records 11 out of 15 seasons with 5 post-season appearances and several more near-misses. He’s won 2 NL pennants and a World Series. He’s built one of the best cores of young homegrown players in baseball and is running an excellent drafting and scouting operation. Everything else is nitpicking and there is a heckuva lot of nitpicking out there on Sabes. To blame him for moves that never happened just takes the nitpicking to an absurd extreme.

      • As for defensive metrics, just go look up the Giants stats on OF defense over the last decade or so. The are almost always very good. Sabes has always tended to take the OF with better defense even if he has to sacrifice offense to get him.

        That’s evidence that he’s good at building quality defenses. That isn’t evidence that he used defensive metrics before Billy Beane. There isn’t any evidence that he used defensive metrics before Billy Beane.

        Evaluating the human element is part of scouting.

        Yes, makeup and such. The human element is part of scouting, sure. But is scouting defensive skills the same as “scouting the human element”? No. I’m talking about two distinctly different things. Intangibles, as opposed to defensive skills.

        Do you have any evidence other than internet chatter that the Giants actually made a higher offer to Bloomquist?

        It was reported by Tim Brown that he made Bloomquist a two-year offer that was rejected. The Giants offered him a contract. This is NOT an unsubstantiated rumor. It’s not a rumor at all, in fact. It was reported. I will also note that Brown is a very credible reporter. He did, after all, break the news of Prince Fielder signing with Detroit.

        To blame him for moves that never happened just takes the nitpicking to an absurd extreme.

        I’m not blaming him for anything. It’s simply ignorant to toss aside all knowledge of a GM’s track record that goes beyond the actual transactions. That’s imperative for one to fully grasp the whole picture of a GM.

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